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Old 09-19-2007, 05:03 PM   #11
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I think DIR hates scooters.
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At least on scubaboard they were all preaching the evil of scooters. There's a lot of DIR people on scubaboard. Maybe I shouldn't have made the leap to DIR != scooters.
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Old 09-19-2007, 05:05 PM   #12
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I have neverd used a scooter but here is a link to someone reviewing a seadoo scooter (there are several different models) and here is another thread talking about scooters, mainly the seadoo I think...
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I have the one the guy reviewed and I like it. I've had it 3 years and have taken it on about 30-40 dives over that time probably. No problems. I think you can get them for around $500 now.

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Old 09-19-2007, 06:43 PM   #13
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i had a (tekna) for years, i dont think they make them anymore, and i have an oceanic now..very good...but pricey....
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Old 09-19-2007, 06:55 PM   #14
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I think DIR hates scooters.
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At least on scubaboard they were all preaching the evil of scooters. There's a lot of DIR people on scubaboard. Maybe I shouldn't have made the leap to DIR != scooters.
Trying to get an accurate representation of what is and is not common DIR practice from that place is incredibly difficult. I know I get confused when I read stuff there. There are a couple of pro-DIR people who post with authority and yet when you get to know them, you realize that they have never even taken a class. There are also anti-DIR people who post with authority. But people who have a reasonable idea of what it is can easily spot the misconceptions. One example I will give.. one guy continually portrays doubles as mandatory for DIR divers. Even on 30ft reef dives. It's the most ridiculous thing but he keeps posting that as if it were true.

Anyway, long story short, try and take what your read from that other place with a grain of salt.

With regards to scooter diving, here is my personal take on it... It is easy to pull out the credit card and buy a scooter. It is something entirely different to use a scooter safely. There are lots of things to consider. As an example, people who use hogarthian gear configurations will attach scooters like the X or the Gavin to their crotchstrap D-ring. This means that the scooter is physically attached to the diver. If trigger sticks on, you will be attached to a runaway scooter. Another example, how far should you take that scooter out? What are the factors that determine that? Battery burn time? Does your buddy have a scooter with matching burn times?

So it is not just one of those things where you strap it on and go. There actually needs to be some thought put into it before you start using it. You can see where some of the scooter divers (DIR or otherwise) would be covering a lot of the finer points in a spirited discussions.
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:21 PM   #15
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Trying to get an accurate representation of what is and is not common DIR practice from that place is incredibly difficult. I know I get confused when I read stuff there. There are a couple of pro-DIR people who post with authority and yet when you get to know them, you realize that they have never even taken a class. There are also anti-DIR people who post with authority. But people who have a reasonable idea of what it is can easily spot the misconceptions. One example I will give.. one guy continually portrays doubles as mandatory for DIR divers. Even on 30ft reef dives. It's the most ridiculous thing but he keeps posting that as if it were true.

Anyway, long story short, try and take what your read from that other place with a grain of salt.
Yes, I've noticed that. I try to stay away from that other place for the most part nowdays......

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With regards to scooter diving, here is my personal take on it... It is easy to pull out the credit card and buy a scooter. It is something entirely different to use a scooter safely. There are lots of things to consider. As an example, people who use hogarthian gear configurations will attach scooters like the X or the Gavin to their crotchstrap D-ring. This means that the scooter is physically attached to the diver. If trigger sticks on, you will be attached to a runaway scooter. Another example, how far should you take that scooter out? What are the factors that determine that? Battery burn time? Does your buddy have a scooter with matching burn times?

So it is not just one of those things where you strap it on and go. There actually needs to be some thought put into it before you start using it. You can see where some of the scooter divers (DIR or otherwise) would be covering a lot of the finer points in a spirited discussions.

I have my seadoo scooter (vs supercharged) attached to my BC via a retractor. It only pulls you along at a couple of kts or so, so if it were to get stuck on it would be no big deal to unclip and let it go..... but I can't see ever having to do that. I'd just ride it back to shore or to the boat. I have a computer attached so I can see my depth and stay safe.

Mine is also small enough and light enough that if the battery dies it is no big deal to tow it. In fact I tow it all the time in the course of a normal dive. I don't hardly notice it.

I suppose with the higher-powered scooters there are more safety concerns, but not as much as some of the DIR people on that other forum make it out to be. They overANALyze everything...
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